Enoch Was Not

Jeff "Miztah" Rogers By Jeff "Miztah" Rogers, 23rd Oct 2011 | Follow this author | RSS Feed
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Enoch was the Great-Grandfather of Noah. Enoch begat Methuselah, the oldest man recorded in the genealogies of the bible. Methuselah begat Lamech the father of Noah.

Enoch Was Not

Enoch was the Great-Grandfather of Noah. Enoch begat Methuselah, the oldest man recorded in the genealogies of the bible. Methuselah begat Lamech the father of Noah.

What is interesting is what happened to Enoch.

We find the 365 Earthly years of Enoch's existence recorded for us in Genesis 5:18-24. In verse 18 he is born, in verse 21 he becomes the father of Methuselah, in verse 22 he has a bunch more kids. It is in verse 23 where Enoch's years are summarized as 365 years then in verse 24 we have the statement that; "Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." How mysterious, how cryptic. What does it mean?

We also have the prophesy of Enoch quoted in the short book of Jude.

In verse 14 & 15 of Jude we have the following...

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

I believe that this passage in Jude is an allusion to Deuteronomy 33:2 but that is a different subject.

The only other reference to the man 'Enoch' is found in Hebrews chapter 11, the chapter of the faith of the believers down through the ages.

Anytime we have an elaboration in the New Testament scripture of obscure Old Testament events or characters, we should pay close attention.

In Hebrews 11:5 we have another brief statement about the man Enoch;

"By Faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Here we find out about his character, he was a "God Pleaser". He was a man of "Faith".

And we find out some more info about what happened to him. He was "translated". The reason for his translation was so that "He should not see death;".

I am not sure about you, but this does not really satisfy the mystery for me. What do these things mean? Most of my Christian life I have heard preachers and other Christians declare that this means that Enoch never died.

Is that true?

Did Enoch escape death by translation? This is what I used to believe. But as I read my bible, I continue in the passage of Hebrews 11 and the passage goes on to tell of the faith of Noah (v 7), the Faith of Abraham (v 8-10), the Faith of Sarah (v 11). Then in verse 13 it summarizes the faith of all these in chapter 11 up to that point.

"THESE ALL DIED in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the Earth."

Notice that the scripture declares...(it does not hint, or allude to, or intimate, it DECLARES)..."THESE ALL DIED...". Now the language of Enoch's demise,
disappearance, departure seems to be cryptic and open for interpretation. Should we not allow the clear declaration of "THESE ALL DIED..." be the definitive and settling text as to the end of Enoch. I believe the bible teaches that Enoch died as all men die. This is a new paradigm for the way I used to look at this character.

Not sure if any of you are ready for this kind of re-thinking, but please let me know where I have made a mistake in the interpretation of this passage. If Enoch did not die, point me to the clear text that says he did not die.

I welcome your comments and explanations.

For many folks, a conclusion is simply
the place where they got tired of thinking.

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Death, Enoch, Myth, Resurrection, Truth

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author avatar Jeff "Miztah" Rogers
Lived in many places in the U.S.. Served in the Air Force for 21 years. retired from active duty in 2002. Traveled extensively, lived 8 years in Europe. I write about the bible, faith, and new ideas

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author avatar Retired
23rd Oct 2011 (#)

interesting

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author avatar Jack Wellman
23rd Oct 2011 (#)

Well done Jeff. I tend to agree with you although many may not.

Hebrews 9:27 says, "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment."

Also Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Since no one is righteous, no not even one (Enoch must necessarily be included), he must have died...even if it was in leaving this earth or physical body...but he can not be an exception because all men die. Being human is 100% fatal.

I do not care if anyone agrees or disagrees with me, because as has been said, "It is not always right to be popular and it is not always popular to be right."

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author avatar Ivyevelyn, R.S.A.
23rd Oct 2011 (#)

Let me return to my Bible Study and I will comment according to my interpetation.

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author avatar Maria Malone
24th Oct 2011 (#)

Good article and thoughts on this!

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author avatar Jack Vorster
24th Oct 2011 (#)

Both Enoch and Elijah did not see death, but perhaps we should regard them 'dead from the Earth" regardless of how they left it. Just to add to this, are we not all "taken from the Earth" in spirit form when our bodies die? Perhaps the writer of Hebrews simply summed it up this way and perhaps "got tired of thinking". By the way, I love that last paragraph of yours. Is it original?

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author avatar Jeff "Miztah" Rogers
24th Oct 2011 (#)

It is original.

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author avatar Jack Vorster
25th Oct 2011 (#)

Now look what you've made me do. I've written an article around that last paragraph. See http://nut.bz/5f3tqkkw/

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author avatar Retired
26th Oct 2011 (#)

Interesting thoughts and also love your parting statement.

Have you heard of the Book of Enoch? You'll find the full text at the link.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/

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author avatar Rev. George Pryor
11th Feb 2012 (#)

Good article. You are the first one I have heard of that openly agrees with me. See my Wiknut article in Religion; Are Enoch and Elijah in heaven with God?

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author avatar Milly
15th Feb 2012 (#)

I would guess that the closer and deeper one becomes to "Christ the RESERRECTION, AND THE LIFE," the transference from one life to another simple becomes a natural progression from the deepening into Him (who is the Way, the Truth, and the LIFE)!

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author avatar Benter Adede
16th Jun 2012 (#)

Very interesting point of view!

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