Syrian Christian will follow Hindu Rituals and customs

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Syrian Christians will follow Hindu rituals and traditions in their life in daily life , marriages,death and in celebrating festivals

Syria Christians at Cochin (Kochi)India

There are some Christians from Syria were settled in Kochi (Cochin) long back itself, though they are Christians , they follow Hindu rituals and customs, while on wedding time, they follow just like Hindu’s by tying Thali bottu (Gold piece put in bride’s neck),if any family member die in the home, they were not prepare food on that day in the home just like Hindu’s, the neighbors will supply food etc to them, some people may believe Astrology also, their marriages are mostly arranged marriages by the elders, they celebrate Christmas, Easter and traditional Kerala festival Onam also, due to following these customs and rituals of Hindu’s they appear differently than the Christians. Famous writer Arundathi Rai , and celebrities like John Abraham, Aasin and Nayanatara also belongs to these Syrian Christians

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author avatar rajaryanme
4th Feb 2011 (#)

A nice share.

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author avatar yugasini
4th Feb 2011 (#)

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author avatar P.Radhakrishnan
3rd May 2011 (#)

Syrian Christians claim that St Thomas converted Namboodiri Brahmins and falsely claim they are descendants of namboodiris. But the fact of the matter is there were no Namboodiris in Kerala in 1st century AD when St Thomas visited the State. In reality, Syrian Christians are convert from untouchable community, especially Ezhavas and Mukkuvas. To hide this past, Syrians are propagating the false idea they are Namboodiri converts. Namboodiri records do not make any reference to their conversion and they make fun . of Syrians for this stupid claim.

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author avatar Kuttu
11th May 2011 (#)

there were brahmins in kerala in 1 st century or before that. an example for this is Chanakya belonged to the Brahmin group from the present day Kerala. chankarya lived in between 340–293 BCE

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author avatar Roshanlal
24th Jul 2012 (#)

You are obviously jealous, lol.

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author avatar Prakash Thirumeni
11th Nov 2012 (#)

Syrian Christians specially and all other Christians in India have very wide gene pool. i.e there are almost all castes gene in them and they also have genes of jews (worlds one of the very high class community), Persians etc. This is very apparently seen in their appearance, just observe , you can notice all royal looks and also low caste looks, jews sharp features, all sort of fair and dark completions etc can be noticed amongst them. As we all know gene cross will produce excellent progeny and this can be noticed that this christian community has excelled in all aspects.So there is no doubt they are mixture of upper caste,lower caste and many ethnics. Even many brahmins, kings treated them with high respect in the previous centuries even when untouchability existed very strongly and still many hindu’s treat them with very high respect.

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author avatar Anonymous
28th Jan 2013 (#)

since no solid proof exists, no amount of research whether by an international historian or by an indian sceptic interested in the truth can give a fair diagnosis to the life history of the syrian christians of kerala...........besides based on a few examples of the reality behind nair or namboothiri claimants of syrian christianity, we cannot judge the truth behind the whole history.only a fool would endeavour to do so.till then wild guesses and artful assumptions tend to satisfy our curiosity.........but, in the bargain driving us further away from reality

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author avatar Yeshu Abraham
13th May 2011 (#)

Tamil Lineage

Dr.Zacharias Thundy says: “The Portuguese records of the sixteenth century say that the St.Thomas Christians told them that they originally came from Tamil Nadu and




settled down in Kerala.” Portuguese finding is that the St.Thomas Christians fled west across the Western Ghats in the sixth and seventh centuries, carrying with them their religious traditions except the tomb of St. Thomas. As Woodcock puts it: “The Christians regarded the Portuguese as their natural protectors, and the Portuguese availed themselves of the services of the Christians as soldiers and in other capacities.” In all probability the migrated Mylapore St. Thomas Christians would have
welcomed the Portuguese because they had been persecuted and remained orphans without any protector. Adriaan Moens says: “However, it is known that Christians at
Mylapore have been very numerous from time immemorial, and they greatly increased in numbers, and long flourished there, not withstanding the scorn and hard treatment
they received from the heathens, till at last this town was devastated and the Christians persecuted by fire and sword.” Assemani authorititatively says about the destruction of the Christian settlements of Mylapore. Rev.H.Hosten has translated this piece of information from Assemani’s Bibliotheca Orientals: “The Malabar tradition seems to have kept a vivid remembrance of a migration of Christians of Mylapore to Malabar. We are of opinion that migration took place in the 15th century, though we do not deny that a
similar migration may have taken place in the 3rd and 4th centuries.” Mylapore was the chief centre for St.Thomas church in India and the number of Christians also multiplied because of the missionary activities of the immigrant Christians and native converts. St. Thomas probably would have used Aramaic for divine worship since it was a literary and liturgical language among Jews. In all probability the liturgy would have been changed to Syriac in the Mylapore church by later immigrants comprising of Jews, Gentiles and others from Central Asia. Syriac was originally a local Aramaic dialect in northern Mesopotamia. Before Arabic became the dominant language, Syriac was a major language among Christian communities in the Middle East and Central Asia. With immigrants coming from the Middle East and Central Asia and with the increase in numbers of the local converts, Mylapore Christians formed the nucleus for the emergence of Syrian Christian community. Probably, Mylapore Christians were called Syrian Christians for the first time because of the Syriac liturgy used by them in worship service. The growth of Christian community in Mylapore would have probably alarmed the Hindus and St. Thomas Christians. Mylapore Christians had to flee at the time of





persecution. After reaching Kerala they established churches in Kodungallor and other places with Syriac liturgy. It was because of Syriac liturgy that the Portuguese called them Syrian Christians to distinguish them from Catholic converts who used Latin liturgy. As Moens says: “They (Mylapore Christians) were then dispersed over other countries, where they received gentler treatment, especially on the Malabar Coast and more particularly in the kingdoms of Cranganore, Coilan, Travancore, in the cities of
Calicut and Todomale, as also in the town of Malabar highlands.” The large scale exodus of Mylapore Christians coincides with the arrival of Thomas of Cana and his marriage of two local women, probably from Mylapore St.Thomas Christian community now settled in Kodungalloor. The refugee settlements of St. Thomas Christians were given protection by local Hindu rulers. Another evidence to prove that Mylapore Christians were the ancestors of Syrian Christians is the existence of a dance drama profusely loaded with Tamil words. When the Portuguse arrived in Kerala they witnessed a dance drama of local Christians known as Chavittunatakam. It is also spelt as Cavittunatakam, ( ചവിട്ടുനാടകം). It is a form of music drama performed in parts of Kerala, especially in the coastal region lying to the south of Chavakkad near Kodungalloor to the town of Kollam . Cast is all-male, and themes are biblical or drawn from from Christian religious history. The librettos were written in a dialect that was predominantly Tamil. The Portuguese taught this music drama to the Christians and the new converts of the locality. Since the librettos are in Tamil, it is a a clear proof that the local Christians (mappillais) were St.Thomas Christians who came as refugees from Mylapore. They would have later mingled with the immigrant Christian merchant- families coming from West Asia to become Mappillais. The concrete evidence to substantiate this theory is the existence of St.Thomas tomb in Mylapore and the presence of a flourishing Christian settlement in Kerala at the time of the arrival of the Portuguese. It is quite probable that Mylapore Christians were known for the first time as St. Thomas Christians because Mylapore Church was founded by St.Thomas. .






Persecution of Christians in Myalapore forced them to seek refuge in Kodungallor and other parts in Kerala. One Manickavasagar pursued the fleeing Christians even to Kerala. According to tradition, the famous Cheriapalli of Kothamangalam was founded
by a fleeing priest who came with some Christians through the thick jungle. Probably these Maylapore Christians were fleeing from persecution and finally some of them found their way to Kothamangalam and others to Kodungalloor and other places. These are clear evidences to prove that Tamil Christians of Mylapore who came as refugees to Kerala and who were also known as St. Thomas Christians right from the beginning were the ancestors of present Syrian Christians (mappillais) of Kerala. Although the
Syrian Christian community in Kerala could not enjoy the earlier privileges and support of local feudal chieftains and kings, the arrival of European powers gave them safety and succor against hostile local rulers and community. Syrian Christians had an audience with Vasco da Gama at Kochi. As Panikkar says: “These men, believing that with the arrival of the Christian Portuguese the time of good fortune and greatness had come for them, approached him and offered their allegiance to the king of Portugal. They suggested that, if a fort was built by the Portuguese in the area where they were strong, the whole of Kerala could be conquered.” When the Portuguese commander, Pedro Alvarez Cabral, visited Kochi, he was accompanied by a local Christian, named Michael Jougue. It appears from his name that he was a St.Thomas Christian from Mylapore who would have probably come as a refugee at the time of persecution and settled in Kerala. But Panikkar mistakenly says: “There was with him in his boat a Malayali Christian, named Michael Jougue, belonging to the Syrian church, who had embarked with a view to go to Palestine.” The name of this Christian also confirms the view that St. Thomas Christians migrated to Kerala from Mylapore due to persecution. It is likely they were also accompanied by many Syrians and Persians who were living in Mylapore. Rev.J. Monteiro D’Aguiar, a Portuguese priest, says: “On the arrival of the Portuguese, these Christians had been during many centuries reduced to misery and abandonment. They had no social status, although a numerous community, the warlike qualities of which the Malabar kings availed themselves of in difficult junctures."

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author avatar Jenson
20th Dec 2011 (#)

Excuse me, don't put some blunders and foolishness here. Syrian Christians are not from Syria. They are called Syrian Christians because they use Syriac language. Syriac is ancient hebrew dialect, a dialect of Aramaic.

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author avatar Yeshu Abraham
18th Feb 2012 (#)

Jenson@
Tead the post carefully. Itis clearly stated in my post: " After reaching Kerala they established churches in Kodungallor and other places with Syriac liturgy. It was because of Syriac liturgy that the Portuguese called them Syrian Christians to distinguish them from Catholic converts who used Latin liturgy

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author avatar Yeshu Abraham
28th May 2012 (#)

Dr. Zacharias Thundy's findings appear to be historically correct. Imaginary concept without historical evidence that Syrians are Nambodiri converts will not have any validity. All Christians of Kerala have some Hindu customs and that does not give them the status of Brahmins.

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author avatar Kurienkoshy
28th Mar 2012 (#)

Diamper
St. Thomas Christians oppose the decisions of the Synod of Diamper to claim higher caste status on par with Nairs and Nambbodiris. It is quite puzzling that they are citing Hindu rituals that are being followed by Christians even today to reinforce their claim of Namboodiri status. But there are two features of upper castes that are conspicuously absent in Syrian community to claim upper caste status at the time of the Synod. The Nairs practised matrinelal system and their line of descent was traced from the common female ancestress, and it was not a man's own children, but his sister's sons who were his heirs. Syrian Christians at the time of the Synod were not practicing matrinileal system because they were all converts from various unouchable castes and subcastes. So there is no reference to it in the decision of the Synod. Nambudiri Brahmins are called dvijas meaning "twice born". A Nambudiri is born once in the womb of his mother and again during the Upanayana when he learns the Gayatri Mantra. It is at this stage the sacred thread or poonool ceremony is conducted and Nambudiri boys were allowed to wear the thread. Since the Syrians at the time of the Synod were not having matrineleal system they were not Nair converts and since the Syrians were not wearing sacred thread they were not Nambudiris. So it goes without saying that all the decisions of the Synod were to remove the evil customs, beliefs and rituals of untouchable Hindus which were being followed by Syrian Christians because they were untouchable converts. . Pariahs and Pulayas believed in transmigration and they offer even today flowers and sacrifices (vavu bali) to dead souls thinking they would continue to bless them in transmigrated status .Exorcism, astrology, marriage customs are similar to Hindu Pariahs and Pulayas and that is why the Synod wanted to civilize Syrian Christians. Christians were asked to believe in resurrection and not transmigration. Christians were advised to pray to God to bless everyday and not to look for Rahu Kal before beginning their work. In dress, Hindu women were not allowed to cover their breasts, and that was the common practice not merely of untouchables from whom Syrians were converted, but even among caste Hindus such as Nambbodiris and Nairs. When Syrian immigrants married lower caste women, they were almost naked except a small piece of loin cloth to cover the genital area. So, like the Arab immigrants in Malabar who clothed their untouchable wives, Christian immigrant also stitched a collarless shirt called Chatta (Tamil word for shirt) and a long piece of single cloth to cover the bottom portion from navel to calf called Mundu ( a Tamil word for dhoty) and the excess cloth was not cut off to avoid waste but frilled and tucked at the back. . Most of the maid servants and poor women in huts all over Kerala wear chatta and mundu, since they cannot afford a sari. Arab immigrants gave their untouchable wives of Malabar a chatta with sleeves known as kuppayam and a shawl (Moplahs). The Synod wanted to civilize Syrian Christians because they wee all from untouchable castes. In the initial stage, a few West Asia immigrants would have married some untouchable women, like Anglo-Indians, but at a later stage it was mass marriage among untouchables who had become Christians. That is why they retained all the rituals of untouchable Hindus. Read Thurston’s customs. beliefs, marriage (Tali tying) of untouchables such as Pariahs, Pulayas, Mukkuvas, Kuravas and Ezhavas. Then we will understand how the Synod wanted to civilize , modernise, and above all, Christianize the Syrians who came from that stock. Archdeacon George and his nephew Thomas wanted to retain Church properties and finance under their personal control. So they instigated the illiterate Christian masses to rise agains Archbishop Menzes who wanted to regulate church adminstration and revnue by keeping proper records like othe Churches in Kochi area. Today there is a trend among a small group of Syrians to steal the identity cards

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author avatar Mathulla
24th Apr 2012 (#)

What ever you say we know that syrian christians looks like a forward caste only.They are highly enterprising and socially forward.In Kerala no other community can beat them.Syrian christian girls are so beautiful. Please don't envy át their achievements .

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author avatar Roshanlal
24th Jul 2012 (#)

Do John Abraham and Asin look like they are Pariahs, Pulayas, Mukkuvas, Kuravas and Ezhavas?

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author avatar Kannan
28th May 2013 (#)

Why people compare ezhavas with scheduled caste .ezhavas are not scheduled caste some of ezhavas had good position in society and some of them look like higher caste .after the association created for ezhavas they all came under in one community .major part of higher ezhavas even converted to Christianity ..

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author avatar P.Radhakrishnan.
31st Oct 2013 (#)

There was widespread mixed marriages between lower caste Christians and the Portuguese.The Portuguese commander Albuquerque encouraged such marriages. That's how descendants of ugly looking Christians got white colour and good physical features. Asin, John Abraham etc belong to this genre. There are also other backward Christians like Ezhavas, Nadars, Basel Mission and Thrissur non-Syrian Christians who are also beautiful and handsome. At the same time there are thousands of ugly looking, black Syrian Christians. In remote villages where Syrians work as farm laborers they are black with ugly features. Some Bishops of Syrian churches resemble Parayas, revealing their earlier caste of their ancestors before conversion. Malabar Thiyya converts are beautiful as also Ezhava Christians of Kollam.

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author avatar I love Hindus
31st Dec 2013 (#)

Thanks mr. Hindu, you are so intelligent. Stop worshipping cows and get a life

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author avatar James
30th Sep 2012 (#)

Yeah, Syrian Christians are not from Syria, then why do I have white skin and hazel eyes? Is that a lower caste trait? The original Syrian Christians, like myself, descend from Syria.

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author avatar Prakash Thirumeni
11th Nov 2012 (#)

Syrian Christians specially and all other Christians in India have very wide gene pool. i.e there are almost all castes gene in them and they also have genes of jews (worlds one of the very high class community), Persians etc. This is very apparently seen in their appearance, just observe , you can notice all royal looks and also low caste looks, jews sharp features, all sort of fair and dark completions etc can be noticed amongst them. As we all know gene cross will produce excellent progeny and this can be noticed that this christian community has excelled in all aspects.So there is no doubt they are mixture of upper caste,lower caste and many ethnics. Even many brahmins, kings treated them with high respect in the previous centuries even when untouchability existed very strongly and still many hindu’s treat them with very high respect.

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author avatar Jai
5th Jan 2013 (#)

Syrian christians being descends of brahmins and nairs can not be accepted logically,since at the time of arrival and spread of Christianity in kerala brahimins and nairs were enjoying a higher status than christians,and the kings of that time allowed lands to syrian christians as a token of appreciation for their contribution in trade affairs,more over there was ban upon upper caste people against converting to other religions,and this became evident from the case of Daivasahayam pillai..,who was a nair in erstwhile travancore,though there may be a handful of converts from upper caste their population among kerala Christians will be less than 1-2%.The next highest caste available for conversion was ezhavas and it is history that mass conversion of ezhavas occurs during the late 19th and early 20th century,but the converted ezhavas by and large were ashamed of disclosing their lineage,and were extremely comfortable in their new identity which helped them in rising their standards much above than their fellow cousins who stick to their original beliefs.But due to the temple opening proclamation in 1937,(which was done due to the mere fact that travancore was on the way of becoming a christian state..nadars converting large numbers in south and ezhavas converting in northern parts of the state), trend of ezhavas in getting converted slowed down.This became evident from the senses report of travancore state.So the claim of syrian christians being descends of brahmins and nairs by and large is not logical,there may be some, but the vast majority is not.

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author avatar Jose K george
5th Apr 2014 (#)

Historical fact is that there were no Brahmins( No hinduism) in Kerala in AD 1st century.. Migration of Brahmins started around 4th century and they overpowered budhism and forcefully established.Hinduism in around 8th century. so the legend of st thomas converting Brahmins is impossible.. !! this must be a survival tact of newly converted christians to hide their status!!

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author avatar Oh krishna
18th Jan 2013 (#)

Syrian Christians are a mix of Jewish/Sumerian/Hindu high/Hindu low also..nothing to be proud of, nothing to be ashamed of..Most Syrian christians are very good looking.

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author avatar Anonymous
28th Jan 2013 (#)

since no solid proof exists, no amount of research whether by an international historian or by an indian sceptic interested in the truth can give a fair diagnosis to the life history of the syrian christians of kerala...........besides based on a few examples of the reality behind nair or namboothiri claimants of syrian christianity, we cannot judge the truth behind the whole history.only a fool would endeavour to do so.till then wild guesses and artful assumptions tend to satisfy our curiosity.........but, in the bargain driving us further away from reality

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author avatar Rajan Rajiv
3rd Apr 2014 (#)

In Kerala history there is absolutely no evidence of Nambudhiris or Jews being converted by St. Thomas or at a later stage by missionaries coming from Persia. Instead of scientifically proving (not manipulated ) genetic link between Jews or Nambudhiris with Syrian Christians, people like George Menachery are making ridiculous references to colour of dress, building model, customs, rituals and social habits to claim Brahmin and Jewish ancestry. Along with these preposterous comparisons, manipulated DNA tests are being conducted to nullify authentic records of conversion of untouchables by saintly and trustworthy CMS missionaries such as Norton, Fenn, Baker, Bailey, Peet, Dawson and others Hawksworth says that he converted slaves, and how can DNA test show that the descendants of the slaves have Jewish blood? The descendants of untouchable Ezhavas, mukkuvas, slaves and others in Alappuzha, Mallappally, Pallom, Mavelikara, Chengannur, Kottayam, Kochi and other places are now a part of mainstream Syrian Christian community. CMS (now CSI) church marriage registers will show how many Malankara and Jacobites have married CMS boys and girls.
Missionaries from Persia who came to Kerala in pre-colonial days were not Jews or Assyrians, but Persians. It is not sufficiently realized by racist writers that the immense majority of the members of the Nestorian Church living east of the Tigris were of Persian, and not Semitic or Aramean birth and extraction. Many were born of Christian parents who originally belonged to the Zoroastrian faith, and many others were only themselves converts from Zoroastrianism. So it is sheer absurdity to claim Jewish or Assyrian genealogy through Persians who periodically visited Kerala.
Another argument of these racists is that tying of thali is a proof that Syrian Christians are descendants of Nambudhiris. But this claim is also not sustainable because untouchables such as Parayas, Pulayas, Mukkuvas, vannans and many others tie thali. The fact that Syrian Christians follow Hindu rituals is a clear proof that they were converted from backward Hindu communities. Ezhava, Pulaya and Paraya Christians are having Hindu relatives of their own castes even after conversion and therefore they still retain more Hindu rituals and customs than Syrians who were also lower caste converts. Menachery, instead of pointing out Hindu rituals and manipulated DNA, should give clear evidence about the conversion of Nambudhiris or Jews --- the locality of these Nambudhiris or Jews, the number of people converted, the year of conversion and , above all, the person or missionary who converted them. CMS missionaries’ diaries give a detailed account of the caste of the converted people and the date, place and year of conversion. Can Menachery produce such a record of Nambudhiri or Jewish conversion, instead of showing fake DNA or the white dress that even Paraya Pentecost people wear everywhere?
Quite surprisingly, these racial writers also claim that Church built on the model of a Hindu temple is another proof for their Nambudhiri ancestry. But Paraya and Pulaya temples are also like Nair temples.. Lamp, especially oil lamp, Kuthvilakku, is lighted on all important occasions of Parayas, and this practice is also prevalent in some Syrian houses. Church architecture was modeled on temple architecture because that was the prevalent pattern of buildings in Kerala at that time. Aishwarya has recently constructed a house in Mumbai in American style.

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author avatar Biju Johny
5th Apr 2014 (#)

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author avatar Biju Johny
5th Apr 2014 (#)

Let your faith save you !!!!

All that matters is when we return to the Creator after our death....

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